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Fun Quotage

Posted by spritzophrenia on February 10, 2010

I had never realised that Marx’s famous quote saw religion as a sign of distress. It’s good to read the entire thing in context.

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.

– Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

It appears there are more agnostic ex-christians (or still-are-but-thinking-about-it christians) around. The Agnostic Pentecostal quoted Leslie Weatherhead’s The Christian Agnostic. I rather liked it:

This is how a man falls in love. he could not write a creed about the loved one at the beginning. He finds someone whose life he would like to share, and, if she is willing to do so, as fellowship deepens, he comes to believe certain things about her. Then he can write his creed, and it is of far more value, and much more his own, than if it were imposed upon him by someone else at the beginning as a condition of belonging to her. In my opinion, the beginnings of the Christian life have much in common with falling in love.

I wonder what the state of the health of this country would be like if, four hundred years ago, a committee of physicians had written down thirty-nine articles and demanded that, for ever after, physicians should prescribe according to them. Yet we have [a list of specific articles which every Christian] declares that he believes….[I do not] sneer at the creeds and ancient statements of what some men used to believe. But they were written down to rebut current charges [of their time], not to impose formulae on future generations. Though not as important as loving, believing certainly matters. it matters so much that, if it has any relevance to the business of living, it must be born in the individual mind, not thrust by church authorities on others.

The Christianity of tomorrow will embrace all truth wherever it is found or however men have come to apprehend it, whether through specifically Christian teaching or through [other religions] or even in the bleak desert of apparent atheism. Many of our greatest minds pass through the latter, feeling that to deny all is nearer the truth than to be identified with those who deny all approaches to truth save their own, and in their narrowness and exclusiveness deny love which is more fundamental than anything else.

Jesus never mentioned the Virgin Birth, neither was it for centuries any part of the missionary message of the church. We still make of prime importance matters about which Jesus said nothing. How can a matter be fundamental in a religion when the founder of the religion never mentioned it? And all this goes, not for the Virgin Birth only, but for a dozen improbabilities about which not even a reverent agnosticism is allowed by the die-hard Scribes and Pharisees of today, and the sad result is that we lose from Christian discipleship some of the ablest minds of our time.

Believing theological dogmas was not Christ’s test of those who sought to be his disciples, and for another very important and fundamental fact, you cannot believe a thing because you are told to believe it.

I do not have truth imposed on me. I do not impose it on myself. Truth is self-authenticating, and when it possesses me, nothing can shake it from its enthronement until some greater truth displaces it or gives it less prominence.

[In quoting Brunner,] “Who can establish criteria to judge whether or not the Holy Ghost is really active in a human heart to which God is only just beginning to reveal himself?”

It is [unfair to] demand that to be a Christian one must “believe” this or that intellectual proposition which has put so many thoughtful and lovable people off. “Must” and “believe” are words that should never go together.

listening to Faith No More | Midlife Crisis


One Response to “Fun Quotage”

  1. Sugarpop said

    I like your “voice” – your words and subject matter are really thought provoking – I’m looking forward to hearing more from you.

    Re spiritual experience – practical philosophy (of which I am mere novice) also talks of the transcendental state of being, e.g. in the presence of astounding natural beauty. Practical philosophy draws on a myriad of sources, and is agnostic of any particular faith or dogma, which I find refreshing. Go to http://www.philosophy.org.nz/course/course.html if that’s of interest to anyone.

    Also of interest to me is this site http://www.intelligentchristian.org/ Where you will find many discourses from different perspectives on the nature of God and what is written in the bible. I’m not entirely comfortable with the segmentation of the population into a “highly intelligent” category, and also am unconvinced about the relevance of such as measure as IQ, but this site is interesting none-the-less.

    Thanks for blogging…

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